tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34286346.post4395626093753663817..comments2023-05-05T06:35:54.350-04:00Comments on The Best Way to Have a Good Idea is to Have Lots: Finding the Right Time to End ItJohnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07540465146418344229noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34286346.post-72969135185123871482008-05-11T08:21:00.000-04:002008-05-11T08:21:00.000-04:00I find myself feeling WAY more positive about HRC ...I find myself feeling WAY more positive about HRC now that it looks like she is on the way out. I admire her toughness. I do not think she is the better candidate though, so my heart is full of happiness that it looks like my brilliant Obama is going to win out.<BR/>You guys MUST read his memoir! I admit I did not finish it, but that is because recently, I have the attention span of a flea. All of my free time is spend on the damn computer or in front of my 50 inch television.Stamford Talkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10145856659548079358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34286346.post-88539632757002167022008-05-08T15:52:00.000-04:002008-05-08T15:52:00.000-04:00I don't think that HRC sticking around helps anyon...I don't think that HRC sticking around helps anyone except herself. The longer she is in the race the more her supporters will feel bitter about losing, at least in my opinion. It makes sense if you try to put yourself in their position. I much prefered Joe Biden to Obama or HRC, but he was elimated so early that it's hard to feel resentment. But if he had come so close, only to be beaten by a young upstart with absolutely no foreign policy credentials... well, I'd have a much harder time letting go. Some HRC supporters I've talked to expressed similar feelings. Myself I'd much rather have Obama than Hillary, even before the last few months, but I can see why some of her supporters feel cheated. The best thing for the Democrats right now is for her to end it so they can start uniting. Even the Republicans are starting to get used to the idea that McCain is their nominee. Surely Hillary supporters can adjust to Obama!<BR/><BR/>Of course, as a McCain supporter, I have mixed feelings about her leaving. She is MUCH more effective at attacking than McCain is. I like the Mac, but can't say I'll be putting any money on him in the fall...Venicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09942914639293844444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34286346.post-8194275430914014892008-05-08T15:09:00.000-04:002008-05-08T15:09:00.000-04:00I think you're right, in a certain way. It doesn'...I think you're right, in a certain way. It doesn't seem like there's a big plus for Hillary in sticking it out, except that another two weeks gives her time to think a bunch about how she/her team choreograph her exit. Also, perhaps if she sticks around and in so doing helps Obama, perhaps that curries favor with some of the people she has pissed off with the negative campaign which helps the big picture Clinton institution.<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, on the other point you bring up around the Clinton legacy on Civil Rights, etc. I think the damage is already done. Perhaps over time it can be repaired, but their image, especially in the black community seems to be hurting right now. One example that I think could be telling is a scathing post I saw today on Americablog:<BR/>http://www.americablog.com/2008/05/black-reader-weighs-in.html<BR/><BR/>I imagine it's possible that the current conversation around Hillary and race-baiting is being shouted about in the political blogosphere in a way that's more loud and angry than correlates to how it's really playing in the real world. I'm not sure that's true, though.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and I don't think there's a chance she'll be the VP candidate at this point.<BR/><BR/>Another interesting indicator I can offer is this:<BR/>I talked to a friend who voted for Clinton weeks ago. She has admired and respected Hillary for years, and was excited to vote for her. She described to me her feeling that almost every day since she voted (in March, I think) she has felt her respect and excitement for Hillary being systematically broken down and taken away by the ugliness, the negativity and her profound sense of disappointment with the campaign her candidate has waged. Just one person... but an interesting case study, I think.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07540465146418344229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34286346.post-75821752259483954762008-05-08T13:40:00.000-04:002008-05-08T13:40:00.000-04:00That's a really interesting theory. I can't see a...That's a really interesting theory. I can't see any gain for HC at this point to continue - the longer she goes, surely she will piss off Obama more and make her chances of being his running mate even more remote (if there ever were any).<BR/><BR/>And you would think that she is still young, and a graceful bowout now before she starts to really engender the ire of the party bigwigs, would be her best shot at a repeat run in 4 or 8 years, depending on how things shake out in the fall.<BR/><BR/>And the further she goes, the worse both Bill and Hillary look in the public eye... it would be a shame to see their great record of support for civil rights causes, diminished by the perception that they are trying to undermine Barack's candidacy. The more Bill's in the spotlight, the more he just can't seem to help saying stupid things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com